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Learned a lot actually. Mj is ineffective. Jenkins is trash as a player. Mccown has the mind of a college freshman qb. The o line gets 0 push with or without Mankins. The d line might as well stay on the sideline outside McCoy. The linebackers are at least currently struggling to play in this defense. I have never seen Lavonte so un-impactful. We learned the defense needs some of Schianos tackling drills. We learned the secondary needs some ball hawks. We learned the safeties need work in coverage. We learned the receivers might be pretty good.

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Learned a lot actually. Mj is ineffective. Jenkins is trash as a player. Mccown has the mind of a college freshman qb. The o line gets 0 push with or without Mankins. The d line might as well stay on the sideline outside McCoy. The linebackers are at least currently struggling to play in this defense. I have never seen Lavonte so un-impactful. We learned the defense needs some of Schianos tackling drills. We learned the secondary needs some ball hawks. We learned the safeties need work in coverage. We learned the receivers might be pretty good.

 

You know what's funny? Goldson was actually nick-named The Hawk in SF for his ball hawking talent. 

Fucking let down, that's for sure. 

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You know what's funny? Goldson was actually nick-named The Hawk in SF for his ball hawking talent. 

Fucking let down, that's for sure. 

 

Perhaps it is the Tampa Two ?  Some question IF it is as good a defense as some think, because any team with Sapp, Lynch, Barber and Rice would be stellar, no matter what the scheme.

 

One thing is for sure, a Tampa 2, with zero pass rush, will get torched, as we saw today.

God help us, Had Cam Newton been back there :(

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Learned we can't beat a team playing their backup QB at home.....which means we are fucked next week.....

 

I remember  beating Derek Anderson on the road twice with Tim Rattay and a 4-12 team and when he came in for Max Hall in the Cardinals game in 2010.

 

Maybe we will get him in Carolina.

 

http://www.bucpower.com/2006game15.html

 

http://www.bucpower.com/2010game7.html

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We learned that this team isn't worth a fuck today (that could change). We learned that we STILL don't have a QB worth a damn. We learned that the Bucs continue to make back-up QBs look like Joe Fucking Montana. We learned that the more things change, the more they stay the same.

 

If the starting vet QB is going to make rookie mistakes, then we would be better off with Lurch. At least he has upside, McCown is a 35 Y.O. journeyman that shouldn't be making those mistakes.

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We learned that this team isn't worth a fuck today (that could change). We learned that we STILL don't have a QB worth a damn. We learned that the Bucs continue to make back-up QBs look like Joe Fucking Montana. We learned that the more things change, the more they stay the same.

 

If the starting vet QB is going to make rookie mistakes, then we would be better off with Lurch. At least he has upside, McCown is a 35 Y.O. journeyman that shouldn't be making those mistakes.

A rookie wouldn't make those mistakes.  No QB on an nfl roster during the regular season should repeatedly make those mistakes in one game.  Doesn't make sense.  Even the ones that weren't picked were stupid throws.  Got lucky on a few other passes where he was getting spun around or off balance.

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Linebackers struggled in coverage

 

 

Lavonte and Foster are good tacklers, but poor in coverage.   Always have been.   Foster is horrible.

 

People used to bitch about Ruud's soft tackling.   But Ruud was absolutely dominant in pass coverage.    (people don't notice pass coverage as easily as a big hit)      

 

I liked Ronde's comment during the game that Foster was not suited for this type of defense.   I got a good laugh out of that.

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With all the shit that went on last year, we still look the same.  

 

  • A stoned out Freeman is about the same as mcclown.  
  • Martin couldn't find a hole.  
  • Defense has no rush.  
  • OL is actually worse than last year.

 

Positives:

 

  • We didn't do a bull rush at the end of the game.  Not that I minded that play, but it caused more PR problems than it was worth.
  • Smart move axing Barth, we can't get close enough to kick field goals anyway.
  • The helmets didn't have the streaky horns like in pre-season.
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NEGATIVES

McCown is making too many panic-based decisions for a vet. Like the guy, but it's embarrassing.

Interior Oline play was weak overall. Omameh is smart and technical but played too soft.

Starting DE play was not great. Clayborn did get some pressure but Johnson was a ghost.

LBs and DBs were often in position to stop drives but tackling was often poor.

Uh, Jenkins, congratulating a WR who just ate your lunch for a long TD is poor form.

Olsen is good…but not that good. Bucs found a way to make a plodder look like Shannon Sharpe.

Goldson dropped a potential pick, but in his defense his body was torqued sideways at the time.

Bucs should have dumped Herron rather than Murphy; McCown sorely needed a guy who can get open underneath consistently.

 

POSITIVES

Despite a holding call, I was fairly impressed by Gilkey's play at LG down the stretch.

As noted in a recent post, Javorsy Lane can contribute as a tailback. Great run, sneaky play call.

ASJ looked damn good. Nice blend of size/speed/power.

McCoy looks nothing less than dominant; it's like the QB shared the snap count before each play.

Linebacker play was pretty good overall, with the exception of covering Olsen. Which sucked.

Mankins looked good and will get better with time in the scheme; on the play where he tweaked his knee he levitated Kuechly.

Scott Solomon is what I thought he'd be—a whirling dervish who never quits. Made pursuit tackles and was a whisker away from two sacks.

Patton is a weapon as a KR. Can't wait to see him get slot WR reps.

Owusu shut some misinformed mouths. Great speed, great route, great tap-dance in the end-zone.

McCown never found him, but Jackson was running free on deep routes several times.

 

Disappointing start, but most of the problem centered on offensive ineptitude, and with a new offense, the creator of that offense being absent (Tedford) and a matchup against a front severn that's as good or better than any other the Bucs will face, it's hardly shocking. Bucs got whipped for most of the game but fought back and had a chance to sneak a win at the end. Two big areas they need to work on this week: LB and S coverage of the TE (a biggy in a conference with special TEs) and establishing a run game. Both can be remedied. As for the run game, Mankins' return will be a big boost, and I suspect we'll see Rishaw Johnson at RG versus the Rams since he's a more physical guy than Omameh. Add Mike James to the RB mix -- and Teford to the sideline -- and things will look better in a hurry. 

 

STlbucfan wrote: "Smart move axing Barth, we can't get close enough to kick field goals anyway."

 

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Gulf wrote: 'The reason Murphy was let go was because he's hurt and was unavailable."

Bowers is hurt and unavailable. So is James. So is Melvin. Yet they have roster spots.

Like I say, the decision to hold on to Herron—a kid who was a failure as a KR and who has shown shit-all as a WR—is one of the most stupid decisions of the offseason, no matter how you look at it. PS guy? Yeah, maybe. But Herron is the reason why Murphy, the WR who looked better than any other WR this preseason, was allowed to walk, and the reason why Patton was exposed to possibly being snagged by another team. I hail this team's good moves, but their stupid moves should be challenged. On a team with a suspect line and shaky QB play a WR who can consistently beat press coverage and catch the ball is of great value, and Murphy proved to be all of those things. At this stage the ONLY reason why Herron remains is that someone is trying to justify his hype and draft selection. As I said months back, Patton is a better player than Herron in every regard.

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NEGATIVES
McCown is making too many panic-based decisions for a vet. Like the guy, but it's embarrassing.
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Goldson dropped a potential pick, but in his defense his body was torqued sideways at the time.
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McCown needs to do a little more of what Mike Glennon is often criticized for, take what they give you. There were no less than 5 occasions when he had an outlet, but choked on the ball instead waiting for something to come open down field. You can't do that on every play because you don't win ballgames that way, but your decision making has to be there to recognize the difference in when you can take a chance and wind up with a zero or a TD and when you just need to move the chains.

 

The pick Goldson dropped would've been a very difficult catch, I agree. Said so, in another thread, and was waiting for the punch line which is this:  

 

It was a difficult catch partly because it was an oddball wounded duck off-speed pitch.  The other part is because Goldson was 4 yards off the only guy on the field Anderson was looking for and because he opened his hips out instead of in and was pointing, and therefore moving, in the wrong direction when he came back to the ball. The adjustment he had to make on the ball nearly broke his knees because his form was poor before that.

 

That bit isn't all on Goldson. That bit is also on the guy who thought Goldson should have the responsibility of covering Olsen on that critical play.

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McCown needs to do a little more of what Mike Glennon is often criticized for, take what they give you. There were no less than 5 occasions when he had an outlet, but choked on the ball instead waiting for something to come open down field. You can't do that on every play because you don't win ballgames that way, but your decision making has to be there to recognize the difference in when you can take a chance and wind up with a zero or a TD and when you just need to move the chains.

 

The pick Goldson dropped would've been a very difficult catch, I agree. Said so, in another thread, and was waiting for the punch line which is this:  

 

It was a difficult catch partly because it was an oddball wounded duck off-speed pitch.  The other part is because Goldson was 4 yards off the only guy on the field Anderson was looking for and because he opened his hips out instead of in and was pointing, and therefore moving, in the wrong direction when he came back to the ball. The adjustment he had to make on the ball nearly broke his knees because his form was poor before that.

 

That bit isn't all on Goldson. That bit is also on the guy who thought Goldson should have the responsibility of covering Olsen on that critical play.

 

In Goldson's defense, no one could cover Olsen, all game.

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Gulf wrote: 'The reason Murphy was let go was because he's hurt and was unavailable."

 

Bowers is hurt and unavailable. So is James. So is Melvin. Yet they have roster spots.

 

 

Apparently it needs to be explained further. Owusu was going to return kicks with Murphy, if healthy, the 3rd WR with Owusu to back him up. Since Murphy was injured, the Bucs needed Owusu to be healthy and not put at risk as a returner. So they needed to activate Patton to take the job(s) from both Owusu and Rainey, since Martin isn't healthy.

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