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I've felt since he's become eligible that Atwater should go in first or perhaps together. They were essentially the same guy on the field. With Palamalu also eligible as a Safety, it would have been tough to put Atwater and Lynch in together as well. Hopefully, this opens Lynch up to being inducted within the next couple of years.

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13 hours ago, rook said:

Plus next year the Super Bowl in Tampa. Pretty good timing for him. If the Niners win tomorrow, the GM part of his resume could influence some voters even though it is not suppose to be a  consideration.

Next year will be so cool when Lynch joins the Bucs team along the sidelines for that game not as the Niner GM but as the latest Buc HOFer. Hopefully not taking away too much deserved attention from our QB for leading the team to it.

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They were essentially the same player. I've said a number of times on the board that Atwater should get in prior to Lynch because they were the same player and Atwater played earlier. You know what? I turned out to be right for a change.

Now Atwater has opened it up for players like him....such as Lynch...to get in .

Anyone all that upset about this non snub is just an out and out homer who deserves to be LOL'd at.

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9 hours ago, Gulf Shore Steve said:

They were essentially the same player. I've said a number of times on the board that Atwater should get in prior to Lynch because they were the same player and Atwater played earlier. You know what? I turned out to be right for a change.

Now Atwater has opened it up for players like him....such as Lynch...to get in .

Anyone all that upset about this non snub is just an out and out homer who deserves to be LOL'd at.

Since Steve said it, then it's true and there shall be no further debate. I'm just a homer for Lynch! ;)

This homer believes Lynch had the better career and should have gone before Atwater. 

But I'm just going off having watched both their careers, their career stats and their overall effect they had on their defenses. 

The NFL and GS have spoken..silence.

ROTFLMAO!

 

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On 2/3/2020 at 10:52 PM, fanofdabucs said:

Since Steve said it, then it's true and there shall be no further debate. I'm just a homer for Lynch! ;)

This homer believes Lynch had the better career and should have gone before Atwater. 

But I'm just going off having watched both their careers, their career stats and their overall effect they had on their defenses. 

The NFL and GS have spoken..silence.

ROTFLMAO!

Let's chill and look at this rationally.  

ATWATER

Year Team G Tackles Fumbles Interceptions
Tackles* Ast Total Sacks FF FR Yds Int Yds Avg Lng TD PD
1989 DEN 16 129 0 129 0.0 0 0 0 3 34 11 30 0 0
1990# DEN 15 173 0 173 1.0 0 0 0 2 32 16 27 0 0
1991# DEN 16 150 0 150 1.0 0 1 0 5 104 21 49 0 0
1992# DEN 15 151 0 151 1.0 0 2 0 2 22 11 22 0 0
1993# DEN 16 141 0 141 1.0 2 0 0 2 81 41 68 0 12
1994# DEN 14 52 22 74 0.0 1 2 0 1 24 24 24 0 8
1995# DEN 16 82 21 105 0.0 2 0 0 3 54 18 25 0 13
1996# DEN 16 64 17 81 0.0 2 0 0 3 11 4 11 0 11
1997 DEN 15 53 15 68 1.0 0 2 0 2 42 21 22 1 7
1998# DEN 16 43 12 55 0.0 0 0 0 1 4 4 4 0 5
1999 NYJ 12 36 19 55 0.0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2
Career   167 1074 106 1180 5.0 8 7 0 24 408 17 68 1 58

# denotes Pro Bowl seasons.

*Includes the count of both tackles and assists for season 1989-93.

LYNCH

Year Team G Tackles Fumbles Interceptions
Tackles AST Total Sacks FF FR Yards Int Yards Avg Long TD PD
1993 TB 15 9 1 10 0.0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2
1994 TB 16 11 5 16 0.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
1995 TB 9 27 11 38 0.0 0 0 0 3 3 1 3 0 5
1996 TB 16 71 29 100 1.0 2 1 0 3 26 9 25 0 9
1997# TB 16 74 36 110 0.0 1 2 0 2 28 14 28 0 2
1998 TB 15 50 35 85 2.0 1 1 0 2 29 15 17 0 7
1999# TB 16 80 36 116 0.5 1 0 0 2 32 16 28 0 9
2000# TB 16 56 29 85 1.0 0 2 0 3 43 14 36 0 8
2001# TB 16 62 25 87 1.0 1 1 0 3 21 7 15 0 7
2002# TB 15 41 23 64 0.0 0 0 0 3 0 0 0 0 8
2003 TB 14 50 22 72 0.5 0 0 0 2 18 9 18 0 8
2004# DEN 15 47 17 64 2.0 3 0 0 1 2 2 2 0 8
2005# DEN 16 44 17 61 4.0 4 0 0 2 2 1 1 0 8
2006# DEN 16 59 25 84 0.0 2 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 5
2007# DEN 13 46 13 59 1.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3
Career 224 727 331 1058 13.0 16 8 0 26 204 8 36 0 89

# denotes Pro Bowl seasons.

Atwater and Lynch were very similar players along the lines of Ronnie Lott.  Both were hard hitters and always seemed to be around the ball.  One thing to note here is that Atwater's earlier years were far and away better than Lynch's In fact, those first 5 years reflect 68% of his total career combined tackles.  Atwater was a starter from his first game to his last, outside of injury of course, and was a bigger piece of Denver's defense than was Lynch for the Bucs.  From 94 on Atwater would break 100 combined tackles only once in '95.  After that, he would continue to be part of the Denver defense, just not as big as he was his first 5 seasons.  

Lynch began as a back up his first two seasons and the first six games of his third.  In fact it wasn't until after the first game in 1996 that he became a starter rather than a back up.  After that, he became the Lynch we all came to know and love.  What a monster he was.  The amazing thing about Lynch was how he went after the ball and laid down the pain for anyone who was running with it or caught it.  Hell, he knocked his own brother-in-law out cold.  HAHAHA. Damn what a force of nature he was.  

Lynch has 9 Pro Bowls to Atwater's 8.  However, Atwater has 2 Super Bowl rings over 1 for Lynch.  All in all very similar style players.  Both Atwater and Lynch were great.  I think Lynch was more consistent and durable than Atwater, but Atwater had the edge in his number of tackles. That, and Atwater played had two rings to Lynch's one.   I have a feeling he will get in next year as he is the GM of the 9ers and built a team that went to the Super Bowl.  

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The reason Lynch didnt have much impact in 93-95 was because he was misused by Floyd Peters. 

It was wasn't until 96 when Dungy took over that Lynch was able to blossom into a great safety.

Lynch was a huge part of the Bucs dominate defense. He was a huge part of a defense that was so game changing, that the Tampa Two was and still is widely copied around the league.

Totally disagree that Atwater was a "bigger piece to Denver's defense than Lynch was to the Bucs".

Talk to anyone from those great defenses the Bucs had and they will tell you that Brooks and Lynch were the captains and engines that made that defense go.

 

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1 hour ago, fanofdabucs said:

Totally disagree that Atwater was a "bigger piece to Denver's defense than Lynch was to the Bucs".

That should have said in his first 5 years.  Atwater was dominate more than any safety out there.  Numbers dont lie bro.  And on to the assertion that he blossomed under Dungy.  Hate to tell you but Lynch may have continued to have been a back up play as Dungy named Todd Scott as the started and Lynch as the backup.  I am not trying to take anything away from Lynch.  Just saying that Atwater had a stronger start to his career than Lynch which may have cost Lynch.  Those tackle numbers are MLB numbers from Atwater.  Lynch never surpassed 116 tackles in any of his years.  Also Atwater had 300 plus more tackles than Lynch and played 4 years fewer.   Again, not trying to take anything away from Lynch and disagree all you want.   There is numerical evidence that Atwater had a stronger career than did Lynch.  

1 hour ago, fanofdabucs said:

Talk to anyone from those great defenses the Bucs had and they will tell you that Brooks and Lynch were the captains and engines that made that defense go.

Platitudes and subjective statements are all well and good.  However, numbers count.  If they didn't, we wouldn't be questioning whether or not to keep Winston.  All I hear from the Bus players is to keep Winston.  Again, it is nice but numbers do, in fact, count.  

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The simple fact is that they were similar players who had similar careers. Saying one going in and the other not is not "horseshit" which is the only comment I was really arguing against. Both may have gone in if big hair wasn't up for election but he was. So they picked the other safety who's career was first. Lynch will likely go in within a year or two (I think next year there's a lot of big name first ballot guys).

The "horseshit" comment is completely a homer comment.

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Lynch is without a doubt deserving. He was the hardest hitter of his era and safeties like him aren't allowed in the league anymore. Every team they played against you can bet when the wideouts caught one over the middle they were fearful of getting crunched. Just a heat seeking missile that set the tone for the defense. Hopefully he gets in next year.

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