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On 1/3/2020 at 4:02 PM, Gulf Shore Steve said:

I don't think Winston has shown any propensity to become lazy or disinterested for any reason so I'm not sure where that's coming from. Everything that's been put out there about him has him as a very hard worker on the field, practice, film, etc.

The sad thing is that if he is such a hard worker and dedicated to his craft that he has NOT been able to make progress in fixing the horrible parts of his game. His lack of progress is what gives me pause.

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2 hours ago, Chas said:

The sad thing is that if he is such a hard worker and dedicated to his craft that he has NOT been able to make progress in fixing the horrible parts of his game. His lack of progress is what gives me pause.

I think it's a lot harder to change one's spots than people believe. For instance, we have a QB who's issues to a major degree appear to be the propensity to be too aggressive leading to turnovers whether by simply checking down or not making a throw or even just taking a sack or running out of bounds instead of keeping a play "alive" leading to a fumble. So what do we do? Hire a coach who's offensive philosophy is to throw the ball down the field consistently and not use his short to intermediate options (i.e. two high end TEs) to the degree they could be. Then we wonder why there are so many interceptions. That's not to not blame Winston at all. It's just that, if we want the turnovers coached out of him, an offense which exacerbates his negatives isn't going to go the way we'd like.

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2 hours ago, Gulf Shore Steve said:

I think it's a lot harder to change one's spots than people believe. For instance, we have a QB who's issues to a major degree appear to be the propensity to be too aggressive leading to turnovers whether by simply checking down or not making a throw or even just taking a sack or running out of bounds instead of keeping a play "alive" leading to a fumble. So what do we do? Hire a coach who's offensive philosophy is to throw the ball down the field consistently and not use his short to intermediate options (i.e. two high end TEs) to the degree they could be. Then we wonder why there are so many interceptions. That's not to not blame Winston at all. It's just that, if we want the turnovers coached out of him, an offense which exacerbates his negatives isn't going to go the way we'd like.

Fukin Glazertards and Light couldn't jerk off a horse properly with all the YouTube video available. How can you expect them to figure out complicated shit huddling in a room like which coaches are best for their personnel,  which personnel they should aquire, or which end of the horse to work from.

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5 hours ago, The Rich McKay Conspiracy said:

Are you suggesting that Carson Palmer knows more about the Bruce Arians offense than the geniuses in the Bucs general fan base?!?

I'm suggesting Warren Sapp was on to something years ago when he said fans in Tampa are the dumbest in the NFL.

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So now, fans that have been critical of the number one overall pick for setting records for turnovers and being inconsistent, are dumb and Warren Sapp even said so.

Take a step back and realize just how fucking dumb THAT sounds.

I listened to the interview live and some of what Palmer said is true. Arians offense calls for an aggressive style and INTs will happen. Palmer threw a career high number of picks in his first year under Arians. 

But he also said "a lot of Winston's INTs bounced of his receivers hands". That just isn't true. I can think of one or two. Also, if you go back and watch all 30 picks, "a lot" had nothing to do with an aggressive offense or throwing deep balls into traffic. "A lot" of Winston's picks were on out routes, on not seeing LBers drop into coverage, trying to throw it up while going to the ground.

I understand this gives all the Winston lovers hope that it's just the offense, and while there is some truth to that, it's not the real reason he led the league in TOs.

Signed,

Dumb Bucs fan

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Dumb Buc fans have seen the #1 overall pick lead the team to losing seasons and make spectacular plays. Unfortunately so damn many were miscues reminiscent of the stumbling, bumbling Bucs that they use to  ...uh, are. He's known as a 50-50 thrower and to the less informed that means when he drops back there's the fear that it's around a 50 percent chance a sack, turnover, or something else bad is about to happen. His interception percentage has gone up the last 2 years so dumb fans believe he's not improving, making better decisions, or protecting the ball any better but just letting it fly.

There's no chance the team can find a better QB. Even if there would be a dozen available. So shake the damn pom poms dumb bitches. 

WIN WITH WINSTON 2020!

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2 hours ago, fanofdabucs said:

So now, fans that have been critical of the number one overall pick for setting records for turnovers and being inconsistent, are dumb and Warren Sapp even said so.

Take a step back and realize just how fucking dumb THAT sounds.

I listened to the interview live and some of what Palmer said is true. Arians offense calls for an aggressive style and INTs will happen. Palmer threw a career high number of picks in his first year under Arians. 

But he also said "a lot of Winston's INTs bounced of his receivers hands". That just isn't true. I can think of one or two. Also, if you go back and watch all 30 picks, "a lot" had nothing to do with an aggressive offense or throwing deep balls into traffic. "A lot" of Winston's picks were on out routes, on not seeing LBers drop into coverage, trying to throw it up while going to the ground.

I understand this gives all the Winston lovers hope that it's just the offense, and while there is some truth to that, it's not the real reason he led the league in TOs.

Signed,

Dumb Bucs fan

When in a debate on a subject it is always interesting how some will pick one point made which may be untrue or, at least, overstated and bury nearly completely the overall thought of the person making that point. Even with Palmer's comments about the tipped balls, his overall comments that the offense takes a while to grasp (it cannot be argued against the fact that a fair number of picks were miscommunications between the receiver and the QB) and he'd expect Winston to improve in the same offense next year would be something I would consider pretty strongly from a guy who played in the offense.

Remember, if he's back, he doesn't have to become a checkdown specialist and I doubt anyone would want to see that. If he throws 18-20 picks which is within the statistical norm of his career prior to last year, the Bucs probably win multiple more games considering that when he isn't turning it over the team is going up and down the field pretty consistently. It's possible that this past year was the anomaly rather than what would be expected over the rest of his career.

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2 hours ago, Gulf Shore Steve said:

When in a debate on a subject it is always interesting how some will pick one point made which may be untrue or, at least, overstated and bury nearly completely the overall thought of the person making that point. Even with Palmer's comments about the tipped balls, his overall comments that the offense takes a while to grasp (it cannot be argued against the fact that a fair number of picks were miscommunications between the receiver and the QB) and he'd expect Winston to improve in the same offense next year would be something I would consider pretty strongly from a guy who played in the offense.

Remember, if he's back, he doesn't have to become a checkdown specialist and I doubt anyone would want to see that. If he throws 18-20 picks which is within the statistical norm of his career prior to last year, the Bucs probably win multiple more games considering that when he isn't turning it over the team is going up and down the field pretty consistently. It's possible that this past year was the anomaly rather than what would be expected over the rest of his career.

I think this is fairly stated...

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As I said, there is a lot of truth and validity to what he said. 

But Winston is what he is and always has been at this point. He is a guy who has a ton of talent and makes some great throws. He can make some unreal throws and extend plays at times that lead to great plays.

He is also, at this to this point, someone who I'd have a hard time trusting.

Tough decision they have. 

I won't be disappointed if they franchise him. I won't be disappointed if they sign him to a "long term" deal, that has "outs". And I wont cry if they decide to move on. 

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Now to take the Winston side of the debate. He did have a number of picks that were related to him and his receivers not being on the same page. Especially towards to end if the year when playing with a completely new set of WRs. 

If he can limited the "dumb" plays, ie holding to ball too long at times, locking onto targets, being late on long outs..then i think we can win with him. 

Any idea on when they will make a decision? 

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12 hours ago, UncleBuc said:

I'm suggesting Warren Sapp was on to something years ago when he said fans in Tampa are the dumbest in the NFL.

I’ve lived in three NFL cities now, and I can say that between Tampa, Dallas, and Chicago... Tampa fans are objectively the dumbest. 

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This time of year Buc fans have made their resolutions and next season beloved Bucs are going to be improved following all their sensible plans. Then as it turns to shit the fucking excuses start and Buc fans eat it up like a fat kid at the end of a doughnut assembly line.

But we'll be in better shape this next year.

What? We will be. Everyone will be healthy and the roster fortified like never before. There's no chance Winston fucks Jenny Craig. It is on.

WIN WITH WINSTON 2020!

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On 1/9/2020 at 2:56 PM, Gulf Shore Steve said:

I think it's a lot harder to change one's spots than people believe. For instance, we have a QB who's issues to a major degree appear to be the propensity to be too aggressive leading to turnovers whether by simply checking down or not making a throw or even just taking a sack or running out of bounds instead of keeping a play "alive" leading to a fumble. So what do we do? Hire a coach who's offensive philosophy is to throw the ball down the field consistently and not use his short to intermediate options (i.e. two high end TEs) to the degree they could be. Then we wonder why there are so many interceptions. That's not to not blame Winston at all. It's just that, if we want the turnovers coached out of him, an offense which exacerbates his negatives isn't going to go the way we'd like.

It does kind of boggle the mind sometimes when you think about it. It seems like the answers are staring you right in the face. Look at the plays that failed and modify them a bit or tear that page out of the PB. And plz start using our TEs more. . . plz?? Maybe a few more screens to the RBs like the Aints use Kamara.

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Keep him, although he made 30 int's so have other great QB's.

He knows the scheme and has additional receivers now, that he timed with. Give him some offense defenders and more time to look around. He'' produce. Can you imagine starting all over with a new QB as we have for years and watch Jamis go to the playoffs with another team while we sit on the bottom again.

He's our guy, deal with it

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