Bucaroo Bonzai

Why keep blathering on about them going 1 and 2 when I have repeatedly said that was going to be the case? My point was that if there was a good trade to be had, we should have gone for it. I said it at the time we made the pick, and here we are working on our 5th year of pretty crappy QB play, and somehow I was wrong about it? WTH?

Again, I'm not saying they shouldn't have gone at #1 and #2. I'm saying that if a good trade was offered, we should have gone for it. They might have been the two prettiest girls at the bar, but if we had the chance we should have gone elsewhere instead of taking one of them home.

So let's break down what happened during those 33 seasons of which 22 were pissed away by these 1st rounders. The point was made that Brad Johnson was supported by a great defense, but imagine if we had gone the journeyman QB route instead of drafting Dilfer. Chances are pretty good that the Bucs team from that era would be sitting on 3-4 Super Bowl Championships, but they didn't have adequate QB play. With WD-40 and that defense all we needed was a pedestrian passing game. We had a couple years with DeBerg in there (no worse than these 1st rounders), and then about a 10 year stretch under Gruden where he was digging the team out of salary cap hell, and while we bounced around QBs, the overall QB play was still better than those scrubs. I totally get the 'if we picked and developed the right QB with our hypothetical early 1st round pick' but I just think this team needs to move away from that model. It hasn't worked at all for 3 decades.

I agree, but I think if we were offered good compensation, we should have traded. I disagree. Mariotta had a lot of question marks about him, and the complaint was that he was a bit of a project and his skillset wouldn't translate well to the NFL game. If Mariotta didn't have those question marks, we wouldn't have taken Winston with all his baggage. But then Winston, has regressed some from his previous season, and he had a lot of friggin baggage that was apparent to everyone who wasn't an FSU fan..... 1. Stealing soda at BK and being belligerent about it. It wasn't just taking the soda, but his behavior towards the female employee. 2. Crab legs. 3. BB gun war that did thousands in damage. 4. Alleged rape, and then jumping on the table.

They were both shitty options at #1, and if a good trade was offered, the Bucs should have grabbed it.

Of course, but my point is that Glennon sits on the bench while our appointed QBs are starting regardless of preseason (or the past few years).

The fact that they "only drafted 4' since 1987 isn't a selling point because the Bucs put everything behind those QBs and waited for years in hopes that they would become the franchise QB they wanted. I mean that's 22 years of shit QB play right there. Then with the Super Bowl team and Gruden, we took a decade off. And why isn't he starting? Because Gruden has competition at the QB position and went a player drafted in the 2nd round.

It has been over 30 years of us pissing away seasons supporting and developing 1st round draft pick QBs that weren't very good. Maybe instead of doing the same thing over and over, we should try a different path. I agree that the QBs we drafted weren't very good. Not only did we piss away talent and money on them, but then we turn around and piss away 5+ seasons on them. Of course QBs CAN develop earlier than that, but when they don't develop, the Bucs keep them as the starter because we used a 1st on them. Also because we are drafting them at a point when we are rebuilding the rest of the team, we don't have a good enough supporting cast to properly evaluate them, so by the time they develop, we are probably going to pay free agency money to keep them. Fuck putting all our hopes on some first round QB. Grab guys in later rounds and free agency and have them fight it out until the cream rises to the top. We'd just be better off trading that 1st rounder for talent while looking for diamonds in the rough. And if some 3rd-6th rounder doesn't pan out, we aren't spending those years on them. And then there is the impact on coaching because no head coach is going to survive poor play from these "talented" quarterbacks.

Also, the game and QB position was different 40+ years ago. Manning made the probowl twice.

Occasionally, there might be a QB that is a lock, but there are usually teams losing games to target them. But the Bucs have a horrible track record at developing QBs, and when we draft early in the 1st, we piss away 5 season in hopes that it pays off dividends. How many seasons have we completely pissed away on these scrubs? Then our one Super Bowl was led by a QB we picked up in free agency.

I'd say you Winston supporters are defending the undefensible BUT we all know that's not true (about Winston). (and yeah, I know the saying indefensible).

Let me rephrase that....we shouldn't grab a QB in the first, and probably not in the 2nd. Admittedly, it might be that the Bucs are so bad at cutting their losses with an early 1st round QB. But we're willing to piss away 5 years before we make the call, and if he shows a hint of talent, we give him an extension and piss away a few more years. Trade those #1 picks for other players, and grab QBs later. Then have them compete for the job.

It's year 5, has he had 2 wins in a row where he played great yet? Again, Bucs shouldn't draft QBs because we are rebuilding the team and training the QB at the same time. So we end up making excuses for shitty QB play, or dumping a QB when the talent around them is much of the problem.

He was leader of a defensive unit that during nearly his entire tenure was consistently lackluster to bad and played with little heart.

The NFL always intended the replay to be a money maker to add in commercials. The problem for me is that there is no benefit. The instant replay system became a another opportunity for refs and the league to add bias into the game, so the less favored teams get hurt even more than they did before.