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  2. MrBlaque666

    What To Do With Winston?

    Jesus tap dancing Christ... Only people I really ever heard saying he needed more weapons was the coaching staff/GM. Remember we had Vjax, Evans, ASJ and Doug Martin. There were weapons. One thing that I have read and watch and have heard he needs better coaching and the other thing is, especially in here, is that he needs a OFFENSIVE LINE. Our offensive line is offensive. Regardless of the most informed in here...SMITH IS SHIT. Marpet is pretty good, then Jenson seems to wanna shoot the team in the foot with his stupid bullshit personal fouls and holds at inopportune times but is ok...not highest paid center in the NFL ok, but ok. However, the rest of the line is absolute shit. Not just in pass protection but also in run blocking. Finally our coaching. The head coach is and always has been way way over his head. I have said that, although not necessarily in here, since day one. He was a poor choice after they fired Lovie, who I though was a poor choice as well. Sure he has a great play book, but nothing ever changes. Someone earlier says Winston sucks in the second half of games. Well that's because the plays, regardless or who is calling them, are the same. Nothing is adjusted. Nothing changes in the play mix. Do the fucking math. Shit O-Line. No running game, much less a threat of one, play book that hasn't really changed to the strengths of the players. What do you get? SUCKENING pure and simple. Tree-Your obsession and constant hate of Winston is funny...in a look at-the-weird-guy-hating-on-a-football-player kinda way. You even said we should get Sam Bradford here to replace Winston. AAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Sam fucking-cant-take-three-game-snaps-without-going-on-IR Bradford. Jesus wept, son. It stems from you not liking Winstons' character. I get it. I think the entire board does. I mean you get so jazzed about posting how much you hate Winston. One thing that I don't get about all the Winston naysayers is even when he shines he sucks. When he sucks, I say it out loud that he sucks the chrome off trailer hitches. Fucking want to shoot him right in the pussy. However there have been some decent games by him and you are silent as are most naysayers. The jury is still out on Winston. He has an uphill challenge in front of him. But if we shit can him here, he will go on and be a Super Bowl Champion somewhere else. Bank it, twink. Maybe find a new team while you are at it... Just my $0.02.... Your milage may vary very, verily I say unto you. Carry on. 😉
  3. Tundra

    Who Coaches the Bucs in 2019?

    Buck is nowhere the same as Raheehaw. Buck doesn't give a shit what anyone on the team thinks of him, he is there to get production out of the players and whether it's Gerald McCoy, Nohaa Spence, or even JPP, he'll get in your grill if he thinks you need it. Raheehaw would play rap music and go to the bars with his favorite players. Buck is all business. Was at Arizona. Has been with the Bucs. He has the edge we've been lacking. What he lacks in experience he makes up for in passion, energy, and knowing how people respond to different stimuli. Buck may not get the job but to equate him to Raheehaw isn't a fair comparison at all. Bucs is a leader of men. Raheehaw was everyone's buddy. Vastly different when we are looking for a Leader of the team.
  4. Tundra

    What To Do With Winston?

    Winston's next coach will help him get to the level his fans believe he is capable. I hope that happens with the Bucs. His own boneheadedness regarding off the field bullshit made far more impact on him and his relationships on the team than anyone realized. Now he and Dirk are stale. Jameis is not learning anything from these rice cake fuckers anymore. Give him a fresh one year with someone else and see what happens. Fuck it, it's the Bucs. You know the team isn't going to win more than 6 games next season anyway no matter what hapens this offseason.
  5. tfree32

    What To Do With Winston?

    Wasn’t the party line that Winston needed more weapons? So we load up with Evans, Godwin, Jackson, Brate, and Howard, giving him what’s probably the best set of receivers to work with in the league.And he still sucks. Now we’re told he just needs a power running game to run play action...so now we need a superior running back and offensive line before he can be successful. So if we have Pro Bowl candidates at the other 10 positions on offense....MAYBE he’ll be able to get it done? 😂 Dak is a mediocre talent but a hell of a leader in the locker room. Replace Dak with Winston and the Cowboys would be worse.
  6. SamuraiBuc

    What To Do With Winston?

    I agree with this, UncleBuc.
  7. Gulf Shore Steve

    Who Coaches the Bucs in 2019?

    Dungy won't return to a regular NFL gig and, if he did, I don't think his heart would really be invested. I don't know of anything Derrick Brooks has done in the game outside of a HOF career that gets him a front office position. Amongst other things he's doing some behind the scenes PR stuff for the Lightning. Shaking a few hands seems to be what he does best. Quarles? He's a personnel guy. What is apparent with the personnel which would give anyone pause to say anyone has been doing a job which has them run an organization. Jason Licht's background was very good. There was no reason to think it wouldn't work but it hasn't. There will never be a person between the GM (or whatever title the decision maker is given) and the Glazers. The thought that the Glazers are in the background and not involved in decisions has always been one that I've thought false. They are quiet and stay out of the limelight but they are involved and probably to a level none of us would ever want to know about. Monken? No. He basically was calling plays for Koetter's offense. I don't see what he provides. If the Bucs are going to change coaches, they should change out the entire staff. I prefer it wasn't a retread but my guess is that it will be. With all that on who I don't think it should be, I haven't come up with anyone I think it should be.
  8. UncleBuc

    What To Do With Winston?

    Winston needs to be in a run first play action offense. Replace Dak with JW and the CBoys are a major threat.
  9. Axe

    Whatcha listening to?

    Geddy nailed it!! I can't watch that too often.. I find this guy hilarious.. Warning::: NSFW I picked the Yngwie episode at random..
  10. Gulf Shore Steve

    What To Do With Winston?

    One of the keys in the Winston saga is who the coach is. A coach who prefers more of a quick passing game does not play to Winston's strengths at all which is getting the ball downfield. I'm also not sure the Bucs have the WRs who would best fit into that type of system since size is valued over speed for the most part with the roster. However, most offenses these days are some form of a quick passing game whether they are successful or not.
  11. Gulf Shore Steve

    What To Do With Winston?

    True but you're point out three instances over a long period of time. A better QB helps and the need to have one should be out there. Most teams who are highly competitive have a pretty good QB. My point is that you can have a non-elite (top 10 fwiw) QB and have a solid team. Most of the guys below that have their warts in some fashion or another however they are serviceable.
  12. Gulf Shore Steve

    What To Do With Winston?

    Foles in spots yes. The other two no. I get your point but Winston, when everything is taken into consideration, is probably no better or worse than the first two and Bridgewater we know next to nothing about at this point.
  13. Gulf Shore Steve

    What To Do With Winston?

    What Winston will be paid....particularly since there's no obligation beyond next year.....isn't elite money.
  14. tfree32

    What To Do With Winston?

    It depends on what you pay the quarterback. If it’s not that much, you can surround him with talent and win despite him being mediocre. If it’s a lot, then he needs to truly be elite to justify the 2-3 other great players you can’t afford because of his contract. It’s trickier with someone like Winston, who is both mediocre and wildly inconsistent. His stretches of poor play and multiple turnover games would make it tough to string together wins, especially in the playoffs. I think you can win with a consistently mediocre QB if you surround him with lots of talent. I think it’s nearly impossible to win, especially consistently, with a mediocre and inconsistent QB like Winston.
  15. Pirate

    What To Do With Winston?

    I wish there had been more of this type of thinking when the Bucs drafted Winston in the first place. Neither he nor Mariota were anything close to a sure thing, but at that time, there was this girlish angst to use that pick on a QB no matter what.
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  17. SamuraiBuc

    What To Do With Winston?

    The guy pisses me off sometimes to no end, but I think you almost have to ride with Winston; unless you have a capable person in your sites and can pour less money into them, while using the money saved to address the O-Line. Give me a solid O-Line and a QB like a Nick Foles, Alex Smith, or even a Teddy Bridgewater and watch the offense become as explosive and more consistent. Winston has the capability to win games by himself (so to speak)......but he also has the ability to lose them himself as well. He is too inconsistent for my liking. Then again, some of that could be contributed to such a shitty O-Line.
  18. SamuraiBuc

    What To Do With Winston?

    Me neither. See Brad Johnson. Trent Dilfer. Mark Rypien. And on and on and on. QBs don't have to be Tom Brady to win a Super Bowl.
  19. SamuraiBuc

    Who Coaches the Bucs in 2019?

    I honestly think you need a legit Director of Football Operations to control everything. Shelton Quarles is either a lame duck or has no fucking clue. I envision someone who has the final say-so on any players added or sent packing, coaches, and everything else associated with running a team. As far as coaching goes, after seeing how Koetter has responded to heat, get him the fuck out of the kitchen. He isn't "strong" enough to be a head coach. Duffner has had the defense playing better in comparison to Big Head Mike and the Monsters, but I ain't sold on him either. The Defensive Line has played relatively well and I feel like Vita Vea is progressing, so I would retain Brentson Buckner at all costs, because his unit is at least responding (EXCEPT WHEN THEY ARE ON THE FIELD FOR 45 MINUTES OF A FUCKING 60 MINUTE GAME). The idea of Todd Monken doesn't excite me at all, but he has done pretty well with offensive playcalling (when it wasn't taken away by Koettard). I can't help but think he's a lifetime coordinator. So who is it. Who would I pick? What would I suggest? If you couldn't persuade Dungy to take the director position, maybe a Derrick Brooks or at the bare minimum, untie the hands of Quarles, because who the fuck knows what kind of job he might do. Jason Licht has to go because he is almost as bad as Dumbfuckinick. I don't honestly know who I would peg as head coach. I have no idea at this stage. Tundra mentioned Jim Schwartz. The guy can coach a defense, no doubt about it, but he is probably another one of those guys that are better fitted as a coordinator (like Koetter). I dunno. Or I don't care. Pick.
  20. rook

    What To Do With Winston?

    Nick Foles. The non elite backup Eagles QB that beat Tom Brady but lost to our backup in Game 2 this year.
  21. Dunn_Deal28

    Dear Succaneers,

    The Jets have the promise of Darnold and shit load of cap space. They were also in the AFC title game in 2010 and 2011. Recent history and the present, it's not even close. Bucs are much worse off.
  22. Gulf Shore Steve

    Koetter is done.

    Warhop will be the only coach retained for the new staff no matter who the coach is. Come on. You know it's happening.
  23. Dunn_Deal28

    Who Coaches the Bucs in 2019?

    Went from an experienced SB winning coach to an inexperienced position coach. Went from an undisciplined and immature head coach to a toe on the lines dictator. Went from the control crazy college coach to the well-traveled player's coach. Went from the former defensive 'genius' to an offensive 'genius'. If history's any indication, the Glazers will do a complete 180 when moving on from Koetter. That would mean names like Kris Richard, Ron Rivera, Steve Spagnola, etc.. And, tundra, love you buddy but Buckner as head coach would be a replay of Raheem Morris. He's not even close to being ready.
  24. Dunn_Deal28

    What To Do With Winston?

    It is bizarre. But when taken within the context of coming from the 'most informed', it makes a lot of sense.
  25. jobuc597

    What To Do With Winston?

    We won a super Bowl with Brad Fucking Johnson......Nothing elite there...right...
  26. jobuc597

    Koetter is done.

    C'est la vie …...In the NFL.....The Three stooges will do as they please....we will get what they give.....I think those three pricks could care less about building a winning team....I suppose it's about how much money they can extract from the team....I can't imagine giving them money to pay and watch this shit...We have a top offense and we suck everywhere else....".and the Band played On ".....
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